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Gregg Baker
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« on: March 25, 2008, 08:55:33 AM »

There is a developing interest in side nets, a product category that remains without testing standards.  Labs are prepared to conduct these tests and I was wondering how the community would would like to see this evolve.
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« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2008, 09:14:30 PM »

Is there someone we can engage to do some preliminary math, to help us understand the loads and forces involved? Seems like it shouldn't be too hard to figure that in an impact resulting in XX g., offset at X*, the net has to catch XXX pounds of noggin...

The interesting math probably happens at the mounting points. I remember a college engineering problem that asked why a fraternity party organizer could tear the wall off of a house, trying to lift a beer keg off the ground in the middle of a horizontal cable between said house and a huge tree, suspended 5' off the ground and tightened with a come-along.

...and if I understand what I was told about mounting right side nets, one function is potentially very particular about mounting: That of keeping the helmet between seat side restraint wings on REBOUND. Having the net really close to said wings seems crucial, so maybe we can research and relay some guidance to installers, in addition to being a clearinghouse for performance data.

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« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2008, 06:44:22 AM »

Is there someone we can engage to do some preliminary math, to help us understand the loads and forces involved? Seems like it shouldn't be too hard to figure that in an impact resulting in XX g., offset at X*, the net has to catch XXX pounds of noggin...
Yes, that part is rather straightforward:

mass = adult male head + helmet = 8 to 12 pounds + 2.5 to 4 pounds = ~ 15# to use a round number on the high end of the spectrum,
acceleration = 50Gs? 70Gs? 100Gs?  Nets have been tested at 50Gs, so let's go with that.

f=ma = 15# x 50Gs = 750#.

(This assumes the upper body is contained at the shoulder, so only the head loads the net.)

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The interesting math probably happens at the mounting points. I remember a college engineering problem that asked why a fraternity party organizer could tear the wall off of a house, trying to lift a beer keg off the ground in the middle of a horizontal cable between said house and a huge tree, suspended 5' off the ground and tightened with a come-along.
Yup, the same loading diagram.

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...and if I understand what I was told about mounting right side nets, one function is potentially very particular about mounting: That of keeping the helmet between seat side restraint wings on REBOUND. Having the net really close to said wings seems crucial, so maybe we can research and relay some guidance to installers, in addition to being a clearinghouse for performance data.
The test should require that the net be mounted "according to manufacturer's instructions".  You may need to add some connector/webbing at each connection point to represent a typical installation.

Nets have broken in previous tests, so a good place to start would be a single load to failure test, i.e. mount the net in a frame and push on it until it breaks.  The failure load would imply a G limit.
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« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2008, 04:51:08 PM »

Quick question: Does anyone have a list of commercially available side nets?

TIA.
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« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2008, 08:24:51 PM »

I haven't seen anything like a comprehensive list. I'll start asking around and listing them here.

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« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2008, 06:50:52 AM »

Someone offered up this list, but I can't comment on its completeness:

Safety Solutions
Piper Motorsports
C5R
Teamtech
Simpson
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« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2008, 09:01:53 AM »

We are getting quotes from a test lab to conduct single-load-to-failure tests.  We'll get the info out as soon as it becomes available.
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« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2008, 01:26:50 PM »

We can have five side nets tested rather easily, and inexpensively.  This includes fabrication of the fixture, the testing itself and documentation in the form of load plots, video and raw data capture.
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« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2008, 03:18:05 PM »

As an update, SAE International has accepted an abstract titled  "Strength Testing of Inside Nets".
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« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2008, 08:36:11 PM »

I could be mistaken, but doesn't SFI 37.1 cover inside nets?
SFI 27.1 covers window nets.
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